Een onderkaakje? Antwerpen

[Duys]

Hai Forumleden,

Een kaakje gevonden, waar ik nog geen raad mee weet, in een onbevangen moment in een zak gestoken, met als resultaat dat de 2 voorste tanden zijn losgekomen en enkele kleine stukjes van het gehemelte zijn afgebroken, deze twee tanden zitten er los in, naar wat ik nog kan herinneren van de posities.

Duys

[mendel]

volgens mij is dat van een zwijn

[agaathunter]

Hoi

Een tandje van ong. 7 cm lijkt me niet van een zwijn te zijn.

Groetjes: Ed

[Duys]

agaathunter schreef:
Hoi

Een tandje van ong. 7 cm lijkt me niet van een zwijn te zijn.

Groetjes: Ed

Bericht van Duys,
Ik volg Agaathunter, ik had eraan gedacht(jong zwijn), maar de twee voorste tanden geen zwijnetanden. Maar alvast bedankt voor de respons!

[Duys]

Duys schreef:

agaathunter schreef:
Hoi

Een tandje van ong. 7 cm lijkt me niet van een zwijn te zijn.

Groetjes: Ed

Bericht van Duys,
Ik volg Agaathunter, ik had eraan gedacht(jong zwijn), maar de twee voorste tanden geen zwijnetanden. Maar alvast bedankt voor de respons!

De knobbel die je vooraan ziet, het is niet helemaal duidelijk, is het breukvlak naar de andere kant van de kaak.

[echinoman]

Hi,
This is lower jaw from recent hedgehog...similar to yours that you find?

[Frederik]

Echinoman,

that is in my humble opinion a very clever suggestion. I must say that, from an ecological point of vieuw, the teeth of the fossil(?) jaw seem to indicate the former owner was an insectivore (e.g. the sharp cusps and enlarged incisors, although the latter is not typical for all insectivores). Size confused me a little bit, therefore I was hesitating to speak up.

Your contribution seems convincing.

[Smaug]

Nice thinking, but I am not convinced. The displayed jaw differs on a lot of points with the jaw of the hedgehog.

1. Size.
The displayed jaw is conciderably larger (more then 70 mm)then the jaw of a hedgehog (40-48 mm (Lange, R, et al. (1994) Zoogdieren van west europa. Stichting uitgeverij van de KNNV, Utrecht.))

2. Form.
The jaw of a hedgehog is slender in comparison to the displayed jaw.

3. Teeth.
If you look at the incisors in the back of the jaw, you kan clearly see that the tooth of the hedgehog are small (aprox. 5 mm) and slender. The tooth in the other jaw is very large (aprox. 15 mm.).

There are more points (i.e. number of the teeth) but i hope this is convincing enough.

My first guess was by the way a badgers jaw, but there are a lot of differences between a badgers jaw and the displayed jaw. Badgers jaw ==> http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/llmrc.nsf/ ... er%20skull

Keep in mind that this just might be a dogs jaw. There are a lot of small breeds with strange sets of teeth.


[Bewerkt door Smaug op 11-12-2008 om 14:45 NL]

[Duys]

Smaug schreef:
Nice thinking, but I am not convinced. The displayed jaw differs on a lot of points with the jaw of the hedgehog.

1. Size.
The displayed jaw is conciderably larger (more then 70 mm)then the jaw of a hedgehog (40-48 mm (Lange, R, et al. (1994) Zoogdieren van west europa. Stichting uitgeverij van de KNNV, Utrecht.))

2. Form.
The jaw of a hedgehog is slender in comparison to the displayed jaw.

3. Teeth.
If you look at the incisors in the back of the jaw, you kan clearly see that the tooth of the hedgehog are small (aprox. 5 mm) and slender. The tooth in the other jaw is very large (aprox. 15 mm.).

There are more points (i.e. number of the teeth) but i hope this is convincing enough.

My first guess was by the way a badgers jaw, but there are a lot of differences between a badgers jaw and the displayed jaw. Badgers jaw ==> http://www.shropshire.gov.uk/llmrc.nsf/ ... er%20skull

Keep in mind that this just might be a dogs jaw. There are a lot of small breeds with strange sets of teeth.


[Bewerkt door Smaug op 11-12-2008 om 14:45 NL]

I agree with most of the points made, i was looking for insectivores, the bone is quit light so it has to be in pleistocene, i guess, -maybe another point; the front tooth has a triangular incersion running up to the tip, ending half the way, and the smaller tooth pointing out has a dental tip approx 5mm at the end of the black whole(root?). I wouldn't think it is a dog because of the grinding surfaces of the teeth, first i was looking for dog or cat relatives, like Mongoose or badger, but it seemed farfetched, so i must admit that a relative of the Hedgehoge comes closest.
Excuse the bad pictures, but that isn't to evident with my camera.

[Frederik]

The size is indeed an issue, and may rule out hedgehog as an option. Nonetheless, it was a fruitfull suggestion because it combines insectivore-like teeth with a larger size.

I would like to see some good-quality side and top pictures. These are just to dark and blurry.